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John 6:52


52{53}The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? 53{54}Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say unto you: except you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. 54{55}He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day. 55{56}For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. 56{57}He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood abideth in me: and I in him. 57{58}As the living Father hath sent me and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me. 58{59}This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna and are dead. He that eateth this bread shall live for ever.

59{60}These things he said, teaching in the synagogue, in Capharnaum.

Many Disciples Turn Away

(Matthew 8:18-22; Luke 9:57-62; Luke 14:25-33)

60{61}Many therefore of his disciples, hearing it, said: This saying is hard; and who can hear it? 61{62}But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at this, said to them: Doth this scandalize you? 62{63}If then you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63{64}It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64{65}But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that did not believe and who he was that would betray him. 65{66}And he said: Therefore did I say to you that no man can come to me, unless it be given him by my Father.

Peter's Confession of Faith

(Matthew 16:13-20; Mark 8:27-30; Luke 9:18-20)

66{67}After this, many of his disciples went back and walked no more with him. 67{68}Then Jesus said to the twelve: Will you also go away? 68{69}And Simon Peter answered him: Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life. 69{70}And we have believed and have known that thou art the Christ, the Son of God. 70{71}Jesus answered them: Have not I chosen you twelve? And one of you is a devil. 71{72}Now he meant Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon: for this same was about to betray him, whereas he was one of the twelve.


> Many didn't walk with him after he talked of bread and blood ... he says "doth this scandalize you" ? ... today if you give these opinions to Christians also they feel scandalized and disgusted.  How was it that Jesus raised the dead ?  He was no ordinary man.  And where did he come from, he just appeared out of the desert ... or had he endured long training ?  Many things exist in this world that man does not know, he is a frightened monkey ... 
> I assume that the priesthood then, the idea of it is that blood to blood they pass the blood of Christ from generation to generation ... although I imagine this is not done any more, but probably was for some generations

> The Apostles had many powers ... were from ?  Only from direct transmission.

> In conclusion the spirit God the afterlife ... is very much more strange and large than people would imagine


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Good stuff, all very interesting. The scandal line is quite peculiar, but tends to happen with modern day groups too, no?

I do agree that direct transmission is the key. The way I was taught was an energetic representation of blood and body. By “sharing the presence”, we come into the Light.


John 6:563: “He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.”

There is no boundaries between...


People who come into the Light and get this transmission can also “baptize” others, or pass the transmission along, such as the Apostles baptizing and healing people. 

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John 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.


John 9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?

John 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

This is very interesting verse here.


Just by the Pharisees asking if they are blind, they don’t have faith enough to discern whether they are.  There is still doubt, confusion and separation within them. Unlike the blind man whom he healed,


John 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.


His soul was ready to receive the blessings.

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It is very interesting because Jesus is saying that we are all blind, but to say that we see is a sin, it is a lie.  We are all blind, but do we know it?  How many times can we fall on our face in the same ditch without getting it?  Are we thick skinned?  Do we feel anything?


In John 9 the Phraisees say that to the man ... "you were steeped in sin at birth" ... but Jesus says this man has not sinned.  Who is right?  Jesus says that he was blind so God's work can cure him of his blindness ... what does this mean ?

I think this is too idealistic.  The world is neither a perfect place, nor an imperfect place.  It neither fully follows God's mechanised will, nor is it random.  It has different elements, with life flowing between.  If not the world would not be real.  Reality must flow between chaos and order, between falsehood and truth, between the enemy and God ... only then is there a possibility to chose the Light, only then is life Real ... if there is choice.  There can only be life if there is death, only reward if there is punishment, only success if there is risk.

Life is real.  It is all real.  It is all alive, living, and with risk.


I don't know why the man was blind, it is true that his blindness was an opportunity for healing.  And we must all have some work, so work is given to us be it blindness or arduous labour.  Without labour there is no life.  There has to be friction, a meeting, a task.  Without a task it is death.  Life has to live, life has to work.  Which task is given to us may be random, may be collective, may be individual ... depending on our level of evolution.  As we evolve our work becomes more about us individually.



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John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Love this verse, to me, it tells us that the Truth continues to unfold, to greater and higher potentials than previously known. And that we are all capable of experiencing such things. :)


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John 19:10 Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee?

John 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. 


This is such a powerful line.  No need to explain this one...

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