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The five colours blind the eye.

The five tones deafen the ear.

The five flavours dull the taste.

For having in excess, dulls the senses.

When the senses are dulled, men look for more stimulation.

Racing and hunting fever the mind.

Precious things cause greed to arise in Men’s hearts.

Therefore the Sage is guided by what he feels, and not by what he sees.

He lets go of that and chooses this.

 

Any thoughts?

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On the Number 5 in Chinese Culture:

 

Wide Use of No. 5
In Chinese history, No. 5 has a wide range of use in classifying things with similar characters, which makes things easy to be remembered. Here are some examples:
1. Five Flavors: sweet, sour, bitter, pungent, salty
2. Five Classics in Ancient China: Classic of Poetry, Book of Documents, Book of Rites, Book of Changes, Spring and Autumn Annals
3. Five Sacred Mountains in China: Mt. Huashan in Xi'an, Shaanxi, Mt. Taishan in Shandong, Mt. Hengshan in Hunan, Mt. Hengshan in Shanxi, Mt. Songshan in Henan
4. Five Emperors: Yellow Emperor (Emperor Huangdi), Emperor Zhuanxu, Emperor Diku, Yao, Shun

https://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/lucky-number5.htm

 

The number 5 (五, pinyin: wǔ; Cantonese Yale: ńg) sounds like "me" in Mandarin (吾, pinyin: wú; literally: 'me') and Cantonese (唔, Cantonese Yale: m̀; literally: 'not').

53 (pinyin: wǔ sān; Cantonese Yale: ńg sāam) sounds like "my life" in Mandarin (吾生, wú shēng) and Cantonese (唔生, m̀ sāang).
54 (pinyin: wǔ sì; Cantonese Yale: ńg sei) sounds like "my death" in Mandarin (吾死, wú sǐ) and Cantonese (唔死, m̀ séi).
58 (pinyin: wǔ bā; Cantonese Yale: ńg baat) sounds like "me prosper" in Mandarin (吾發, pinyin: wǔ fā) and Cantonese (唔發, m̀ faat).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_numerology#Five

 

5 Elements : Wuxing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuxing_(Chinese_philosophy)

 

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"The eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear with hearing" Ecclesiastes 1:8

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Humans have energy pouring out of their eyes, leaking out.  The energy leaking out into the mind is the same phenomenon. Consciousness is pouring of the human creature at the front of the head.

That is why humans are chasing things, and endlessly have unconscious thinking in the head ... this is the energy pouring out.  It's painful.  The whole rat race society is based upon leaking out into the world, that the whole species is doing.

 

This can only change when the creature can contain the energy and not leak out.  Stopping the leak and recognizing the Self.

 

Prior to that awaking various half-way stages can be created;  for instance if you think-consciously it arrests the mind and is quite different to unconscious dialogue in the head.  Thinking consciously is a step towards awakening.  Also becoming more intelligent, and being able to observe yourself.  Hence there is a need for Vipassana like techniques to create awareness and observational ability.

 

The five colours blind the eye.

The five tones deafen the ear.

The five flavours dull the taste.

For having in excess, dulls the senses.

When the senses are dulled, men look for more stimulation.

Racing and hunting fever the mind.

Precious things cause greed to arise in Men’s hearts.

 

The leakage of energy causes the entire organism to weaken and its vibrational state becomes low and coarse.  It's tastes dulls.  In the fall of Rome the crowd was only satisfied when hundreds of men and animals were ripped apart so that their bones and organs lay dripping in blood.  Only that would satisfy their low carnal tastes as their minds degenerated and destroyed everything.  Later sex with reptiles and other things.

 

Therefore the Sage is guided by what he feels, and not by what he sees.

He lets go of that and chooses this.

 

Disconnecting from the leakages of staring into the world and running after it, and to feel the rest of the being that is totally forgotten.  People are so leaking out of their eyes that they do not feel their bodies.  Even when they go running they insist of pumping it up with cans on the head so that they don't feel the body and stay in the mind, such is their addiction.  Similarly AI, although it is actually only a marketing terms and doesn't mean anything ... has become some sort of dream to remain inside the ego-mind forever.

 

Identity and Leakage

The ego is a pseudo-identity that is formed by the pouring of energy into the world or into the unconscious mind.

The being who is unconscious has only the ego-pseudo-identity.

This kind of human is resistant to sitting still because it would mean losing the only pseudo-identity he has which feels bad, only if he continues to ratrace does he feel alive.

This unconscious being tries to increase the pseudo-identity by leaking more, by thinking more, by doing more in the world.

It's a disaster.

If the Real can be transmitted to that creature then it he can discover the true identity the Self.

Then leak will stop because there is no more need for pseudo-identity.

 

It appears that existence is using the human vehicle to create souls, by pouring consciousness through the creatures.  Some of them are able to discover the Self.  Others bravely battle with the leak and try to understand themselves.  Others perish and have no soul, or lose the small soul they have.  Especially when the society is in a bad shape.

 

Many traditions involve putting a tournique around that leak in various ways, because retaining the energy strengthens the entire being.

 

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On 1/9/2020 at 10:24 AM, Tom said:

Therefore the Sage is guided by what he feels, and not by what he sees.

He lets go of that and chooses this.

 

I find it odd that the Sage is guided by what he feels. That seems to contradict the portion immediately preceding.

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On 1/9/2020 at 1:24 PM, Tom said:

The five colours blind the eye.

The five tones deafen the ear.

The five flavours dull the taste.

For having in excess, dulls the senses.

When the senses are dulled, men look for more stimulation.

Racing and hunting fever the mind.

Precious things cause greed to arise in Men’s hearts.

Therefore the Sage is guided by what he feels, and not by what he sees.

He lets go of that and chooses this.

 

Any thoughts?

 

It seems to me that this verse is talking about being too caught up and attached to worldly things... the five “thieves” or senses. 
 

“For having in excess, dulls the senses. Which cause people to search for more stimulation”

 

Sounds very buddhist to me :) But truth is truth no matter what way you slice it. 
 

The funny thing is, I use my senses to reground myself when I’m caught up or stressed. Which leads me back to Yin and Yang. There is both positive and negative in all things. 
 

Feeling the senses, observing, but not taken away with the object we are sensing. 

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On 1/9/2020 at 11:24 AM, Tom said:

The five colours blind the eye.

The five tones deafen the ear.

The five flavours dull the taste.

For having in excess, dulls the senses.

When the senses are dulled, men look for more stimulation.

Racing and hunting fever the mind.

Precious things cause greed to arise in Men’s hearts.

Therefore the Sage is guided by what he feels, and not by what he sees.

He lets go of that and chooses this.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Here is my take.

 

It is all about desires.

"

For having in excess, dulls the senses.

When the senses are dulled, men look for more stimulation.

Racing and hunting fever the mind

Precious things cause greed to arise in Men’s hearts."

 

Chasing, wanting more, needing more of sense objects is not the way.

 

"Therefore the Sage is guided by what he feels, and not by what he sees."

 

What does a Sage feel?

A Sage is one with the flow of the universe, unattached to sense objects.

 

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On 1/9/2020 at 11:24 AM, Tom said:

The five colours blind the eye.

The five tones deafen the ear.

The five flavours dull the taste.

For having in excess, dulls the senses.

When the senses are dulled, men look for more stimulation.

Racing and hunting fever the mind.

Precious things cause greed to arise in Men’s hearts.

Therefore the Sage is guided by what he feels, and not by what he sees.

He lets go of that and chooses this.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Here is Jeff's take:

 

Quote

 

What you see, hear and taste are all simply translations in the (local) mind.

Desiring and attachment to things lead you further further from the Dao (and more ego focused).

A Sage is guided by what he knows/feels in is heart and not what is shown/translated in his mind.

He lets go of these images/arising and focus feeling/knowing the Dao

 

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On 1/10/2020 at 4:38 AM, rideforever said:

Humans have energy pouring out of their eyes, leaking out.  The energy leaking out into the mind is the same phenomenon. Consciousness is pouring of the human creature at the front of the head.

That is why humans are chasing things, and endlessly have unconscious thinking in the head ... this is the energy pouring out.  It's painful.  The whole rat race society is based upon leaking out into the world, that the whole species is doing.

 

This can only change when the creature can contain the energy and not leak out.  Stopping the leak and recognizing the Self.

 

Prior to that awaking various half-way stages can be created;  for instance if you think-consciously it arrests the mind and is quite different to unconscious dialogue in the head.  Thinking consciously is a step towards awakening.  Also becoming more intelligent, and being able to observe yourself.  Hence there is a need for Vipassana like techniques to create awareness and observational ability.

 

The five colours blind the eye.

The five tones deafen the ear.

The five flavours dull the taste.

For having in excess, dulls the senses.

When the senses are dulled, men look for more stimulation.

Racing and hunting fever the mind.

Precious things cause greed to arise in Men’s hearts.

 

The leakage of energy causes the entire organism to weaken and its vibrational state becomes low and coarse.  It's tastes dulls.  In the fall of Rome the crowd was only satisfied when hundreds of men and animals were ripped apart so that their bones and organs lay dripping in blood.  Only that would satisfy their low carnal tastes as their minds degenerated and destroyed everything.  Later sex with reptiles and other things.

 

Therefore the Sage is guided by what he feels, and not by what he sees.

He lets go of that and chooses this.

 

Disconnecting from the leakages of staring into the world and running after it, and to feel the rest of the being that is totally forgotten.  People are so leaking out of their eyes that they do not feel their bodies.  Even when they go running they insist of pumping it up with cans on the head so that they don't feel the body and stay in the mind, such is their addiction.  Similarly AI, although it is actually only a marketing terms and doesn't mean anything ... has become some sort of dream to remain inside the ego-mind forever.

 

Identity and Leakage

The ego is a pseudo-identity that is formed by the pouring of energy into the world or into the unconscious mind.

The being who is unconscious has only the ego-pseudo-identity.

This kind of human is resistant to sitting still because it would mean losing the only pseudo-identity he has which feels bad, only if he continues to ratrace does he feel alive.

This unconscious being tries to increase the pseudo-identity by leaking more, by thinking more, by doing more in the world.

It's a disaster.

If the Real can be transmitted to that creature then it he can discover the true identity the Self.

Then leak will stop because there is no more need for pseudo-identity.

 

It appears that existence is using the human vehicle to create souls, by pouring consciousness through the creatures.  Some of them are able to discover the Self.  Others bravely battle with the leak and try to understand themselves.  Others perish and have no soul, or lose the small soul they have.  Especially when the society is in a bad shape.

 

Many traditions involve putting a tournique around that leak in various ways, because retaining the energy strengthens the entire being.

 

 

Very interesting concept of leaking energy.

 

Wouldn't that be dualistic and where would the energy go?

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