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Heaven and Earth are impartial; 

They see the ten thousand things as straw dogs. 

The wise are impartial; 

They see the people as straw dogs.

The space between heaven and Earth is like a bellows. 

The shape changes but not the form; 

The more it moves, the more it yields. 

More words count less. 

Hold fast to the center.

 

Any thoughts?

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6 hours ago, FaXin said:


straw dogs were used in rituals in China, and then thrown away. The term is (In this case?) used to mean something that’s you’re not attached to.  

 

thank you for your explanation.

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On 11/7/2019 at 5:02 AM, Tom said:

The space between heaven and Earth is like a bellows. 

The shape changes but not the form; 

The more it moves, the more it yields. 

 

These three lines strike me as the essential lesson. Shape vs form. Moving vs yielding. Why a bellows? Is this a coded message for breath work?

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19 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

These three lines strike me as the essential lesson. Shape vs form. Moving vs yielding. Why a bellows? Is this a coded message for breath work?


Very important to breath! The largest parts of the lungs are only used when belly/deep breathing. 


Could also be the time when it was written - fires & stoves were more common. 

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The more it moves, the more it yields. 

... as things move they reveal their frailties, they give away their position, and you can slide through the gaps; the more they move the more insignificant they look, moving is weakness as it moves away from the centre, opening places were the rain can flow through.
... bellows breathing ... exhaling is yielding, returning, flowing down, following the returning to the origin
... more words count less ... they open too many gaps, too many questions ... but then again so does anything in creation ... unless the words are structured in a form that represents the origin at a lower level (wuxing) which gives it relative stability and structure ... whatever reflects the origin in creation (yin/yang) survives

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On 11/7/2019 at 6:02 AM, Tom said:

Heaven and Earth are impartial; 

They see the ten thousand things as straw dogs. 

The wise are impartial; 

They see the people as straw dogs.

The space between heaven and Earth is like a bellows. 

The shape changes but not the form; 

The more it moves, the more it yields. 

More words count less. 

Hold fast to the center.

 

Any thoughts?

 

 

Heaven and Earth are impartial; 

They see the ten thousand things as straw dogs. 

The wise are impartial; 

They see the people as straw dogs.

 

This is about attachments and clarity of mind. One can be engaged with the world and with people but it reminds one to keeps ones clarity and not get caught up in things.

 

The space between heaven and Earth is like a bellows. 

The shape changes but not the form; 

The more it moves, the more it yields.

 

There is a flow of creation and destruction. That ever changing flow, of change, or energy of creation can take on many form or situations. The more things change the more we are reminded to go with the flow. To not fight what is happening but to yield and go with it. That is why the first part is about being impartial to people and things.

 

More words count less. 

Hold fast to the center.

 

It can’t be done with words or explaining it to others.

 

The center or staying present is the key.

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7 hours ago, Tom said:

 

 

 

 

This is about attachments and clarity of mind. One can be engaged with the world and with people but it reminds one to keeps ones clarity and not get caught up in things.

 

 

 

There is a flow of creation and destruction. That ever changing flow, of change, or energy of creation can take on many form or situations. The more things change the more we are reminded to go with the flow. To not fight what is happening but to yield and go with it. That is why the first part is about being impartial to people and things.

 

 

 

It can’t be done with words or explaining it to others.

 

The center or staying present is the key.


Well said! “Staying present is the key” agree 100%

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Straw dogs stood at the temple entrance for a certain festival.  Everybody was very respectful to the straw dogs, then at the end of the festival, for the grand finale,  it culminated with the ritual burning of the straw dogs.

 

Translation: The sage treats people with respect even though he knows that most of them are/will be burning in hell.

 

The space between heaven and Earth refers to living things.  They move around and change, and so the shape changes, waxing and waning, but in the bigger picture it's all the same old stuff.

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On 11/7/2019 at 6:02 AM, Tom said:

Heaven and Earth are impartial; 

They see the ten thousand things as straw dogs. 

The wise are impartial; 

They see the people as straw dogs.

The space between heaven and Earth is like a bellows. 

The shape changes but not the form; 

The more it moves, the more it yields. 

More words count less. 

Hold fast to the center.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Here is Jeff's take.

 

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Heaven and Earth are impartial and see through the concept of individual nature, 

with all things being part of a greater integrated structure.

A Sage is wise and sees all people as part of that same integrated structure.

The difference between heaven and earth is formless (like the air between too sides of a bellows).

But, this formless space, also has form in a way, as it is the underlying energy/light;

And the greater the movement of it, the greater the manifest potential.

 

Talking and thinking about it is of no value,

One should simply be and reside in this underlying energy/light (center of the bellows).

 

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