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It is touched upon as the secret kaya in the "Bai ro 'dra bag"...

 

The following is a summary of a section of Chapter One of the Bai ro 'dra 'bag, Bibliography no. 16, Lhasa, ff. 3a.1-5h.4. First of all, in the Akanistha dimension, for those able to understand, there arose the Mantravana, particularly the marvellous atiyoga teaching, through four diverse verse transmissions: of the svabhavikakava, of the dharmakava, of the sambhogakaya, and of the secret kava (sang ha'i sku).

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Regarding the teaching of the secret kaya, the place is the repository (za ma tog) of the secret mother, where immaculate bliss gives birth to all the Buddhas. The teacher is the secret kaya, a form of total bliss of the sambhogakaya that confers the secret empowerment (gsang dbang).

 

- Chogyal Namkhai Norbu;Adriano Clemente. The Supreme Source: The Fundamental Tantra of the Dzogchen Semde 

 

The Tao Te Ching describes it like this...

 

Chapter SIX 

The valley spirit never dies; 

It is the woman, primal mother. 

Her gateway is the root of heaven and earth. 

It is like a veil barely seen. 

Use it; it will never fail.

 

-Tsu, Lao. Tao Te Ching

 

The Gospel of Thomas touches on the same point here...

 

96. Jesus [said], "The Father's kingdom is like [a] woman. She took a little leaven, [hid] it in dough, and made it into large loaves of bread. Anyone here with two ears had better listen!"

 

As described by each it is "secret", "barely seen" or "hidden in the dough", but found... "it will never fail".

 

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Here I thought this was about the fastest path and it turns out to be about women.  The fastest paths are taught by immortals and hidden.  The master told me, look for what is hidden, and I found it.  You can't show it to anyone though or they think you're a liar, or they're just lazy and like to talk.

 

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15 hours ago, FaXin said:

Thank you Jeff. It does seem like they’re all talking about the same thing. 

 

Why does the woman (or mother) always hide it? Why is it kept a secret?

 

It is not really hidden, but more hard to find/notice. The gateway being the root (or basis) of heaven and earth is really talking about the polarity underneath that allows for the emergence of both heaven and earth. In more Taoist terms, the gateway would be realizing the nature of the emergence of the Two from the One (which is the “mother” of all).

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13 hours ago, Steve said:

Here I thought this was about the fastest path and it turns out to be about women.  The fastest paths are taught by immortals and hidden.  The master told me, look for what is hidden, and I found it.  You can't show it to anyone though or they think you're a liar, or they're just lazy and like to talk.

 

 

What I am attempting to describe would be more the “mother” of all immortals. As Norbu states, that which gives birth to all Buddha’s (and immortals). And if one has realized it, they can directly show it to some (about 8-10% have the capacity to potentially notice it).

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22 hours ago, Jeff said:

 

What I am attempting to describe would be more the “mother” of all immortals. As Norbu states, that which gives birth to all Buddha’s (and immortals). And if one has realized it, they can directly show it to some (about 8-10% have the capacity to potentially notice it).

 

Does one need to have knowledge of and know the terminology of what ever practice/religion/belief that this secret comes from? Upon reading your opening post I gather that there's a some kind of "ingredient" that can help one realize something? (in reference to the bible quote) Where the woman puts "leaven" which is a type of yeast into dough to make bread. So I'm guessing that this "ingredient" creates Buddhas? The reason I say that is Leaven or Yeast makes bread rise so this "ingredient" helps people elevate their consciousness or something like that? 

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1 hour ago, Ryan said:

 

Does one need to have knowledge of and know the terminology of what ever practice/religion/belief that this secret comes from? Upon reading your opening post I gather that there's a some kind of "ingredient" that can help one realize something? (in reference to the bible quote) Where the woman puts "leaven" which is a type of yeast into dough to make bread. So I'm guessing that this "ingredient" creates Buddhas? The reason I say that is Leaven or Yeast makes bread rise so this "ingredient" helps people elevate their consciousness or something like that? 

 

It is not mental knowledge or terminology, as it flows through many traditions, which is why I posted the multiple quotes from different traditions.  But, it is an underlying knowing/realization. Sort of what gives life to energy flows. First within the body, and then between all that exists.

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I think the word "secret" might refer or be replaced by "key"? I mean its like when i'm teaching math to my kid, i said: "So, the secret is to pay attention to number 9, 0 is the next number, but add 1 in front of whatever number before it". In my context, key and secret means the same.

 

Another thing i perceive is like when i ask my kid to bring me something from desk or floor, i (think or am sure) point to the thing i was describing (like paper, scissor, or anything), he'd be seems to look/search really hard and still can't find it (even if it was by his feet, he is 3). Wouldn't that make it hidden from him even if it is right in front of his face?

 

Can we say that the teaching works like that, but us (me in particular) being the kid in my example? so many "secret" pointed at right direction yet i still miss it?

 

I also always got confused by "immortal", to me it doesn't seem to be the end (goal), but more like a choice to have attachment to physical realm, and not dissolving totally (be one with the one). No offense meant in this sentence, its pure "ignorance" and i'm still in the "don't know" region (which is why i'm here anyway)

 

thank you

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21 hours ago, megantara said:

I think the word "secret" might refer or be replaced by "key"? I mean its like when i'm teaching math to my kid, i said: "So, the secret is to pay attention to number 9, 0 is the next number, but add 1 in front of whatever number before it". In my context, key and secret means the same.

 

Another thing i perceive is like when i ask my kid to bring me something from desk or floor, i (think or am sure) point to the thing i was describing (like paper, scissor, or anything), he'd be seems to look/search really hard and still can't find it (even if it was by his feet, he is 3). Wouldn't that make it hidden from him even if it is right in front of his face?

 

Can we say that the teaching works like that, but us (me in particular) being the kid in my example? so many "secret" pointed at right direction yet i still miss it?

 

I also always got confused by "immortal", to me it doesn't seem to be the end (goal), but more like a choice to have attachment to physical realm, and not dissolving totally (be one with the one). No offense meant in this sentence, its pure "ignorance" and i'm still in the "don't know" region (which is why i'm here anyway)

 

thank you

 

Yes, right there, but most do not notice without it being pointed out (or introduced to it).

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On 9/24/2019 at 9:41 PM, Jeff said:

 

Yes, right there, but most do not notice without it being pointed out (or introduced to it).

 

Does someone need to find/notice this "secret" in order to feel energy flows or aren't they related?

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15 hours ago, Ryan said:

 

Does someone need to find/notice this "secret" in order to feel energy flows or aren't they related?

 

They are related in a way, but the “secret” is more what is behind the energy flow.  But energy flow is an important first step.

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