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I often think about how everyone comes up with solutions to this problem, but it seems that all of these solutions fall short and aren't really well thought out.

"Get rid of guns, have more people concealed carrying to defend others, fix the mental health system, put more limitations on those with mental health issues, ban video games, ban violent movies", etc....the list goes on and on every time.

It makes me think that, clearly, none of us know the real solution to this issue.

 

I just thought about something from the Chinese Medicine lens in regard to this problem. It's not necessarily a solution, but is something to ponder.

A mass killing is an event that happens abruptly...it's basically "explosive" in nature. We turn on the news in the evening and hear about how about 20 people have died that morning, when earlier that day we were enjoying a relaxing day at the beach, completely unaware that anything of the sort would happen that day. It's not a few bad things happening consistently...it's a sudden dramatic outburst, and then it's done (for the time being).

In classical Chinese Medicine, there are some different types of heat. One of them is the minister fire, associated with the sanjiao and the pericardium. The sanjiao is part of "shaoyang", which also includes the gallbladder channel. With minister fire flaring, I think of it as a type of heat that's explosive in nature. Constraint and stagnation cause pressure to build up sometimes to extreme levels, where things are bottled up, and if heat is added to the situation, it becomes explosive (like an empty bottle thrown onto a campfire...it will soon burst). On the other hand, if constraint were released, and stagnation made to move freely, any heat would blow away in the breeze.

The yin-yang nature of shaoyang is yang (as opposed to shaoyin, which would have a yin nature), and the nature of its root (its ben, in Chinese), which is minister fire, is yang. The rule is that when both biao and ben are yang, it means that the disease will manifest in terms of its ben...so shaoyang diseases show up as minister fire flaring signs and symptoms.

In order to bring balance to the ben/minister fire, you need the zhongqi (central qi) of shaoyang, which is wind (liver and gallbladder are wood element, related to the wind, and gallbladder is the other channel paired with sanjiao that makes up shaoyang). When wind flows freely, the heat is no longer bottled up and explosive, but is able to travel everywhere normally.

Just like in the middle of summer, when it's really hot out, it helps to have a fan blowing on us, because that moves the radiant body heat away from us and cools us down...as opposed to sitting in a small room with no opening, not moving and not having any air circulating - in the middle of summer, that'd be very dangerous and you'd become extremely hot.

 

So, if viewing American society as our patient...and if seeing mass shootings as a sign or symptom that the patient's body is revealing to us...then it seems clear that we need to treat shaoyang, and free the liver qi constraint.

I think we can easily verify our pattern diagnosis by noticing other symptoms that match up: look at political discussions in our society, and see how heated it is. I've personally had numerous long time friends completely betray me simply over political disagreements. Things are "heated" in our culture right now. So, to me, that seems to confirm the idea that American society has a liver qi stagnation problem.

 

I can imagine the type of person who would commit a mass killing as being bullied by others for much of their life. That emotionally constrains a person, and having to live in our society, they'd keep their feelings bottled up...eventually it would be too much, and they'd snap.

In Chinese Medical diagnosis, we think about the causes of disease, as well, and not just its current manifestation of being in shaoyang/liver qi constraint. What likely caused the disease for the USA = the internal causes (emotions).

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"When one is angry, then the qi rises.
When one is joyous, then the qi relaxes.
When one is sad, then the qi dissipates.
When one is in fear, then the qi moves down.
In case of cold the qi collects;
in case of heat, the qi flows out.
When one is frightened, then the qi is in disorder.47
When one is exhausted, then the qi is wasted.
When one is pensive, then the qi lumps together." - Nei Jing Su Wen, Chapter 39, p 594 (Unschuld translation)

The different emotions have different impacts on our qi.

The emotions can be there randomly, like a mood (such as when we feel kind of down when it's overcast out, versus feeling lively when it's sunny out)...they can be there for a reason, such as when someone says something mean to you and you feel hurt...they can be there because it's basically more natural for you to be a certain way (some people have a naturally sunnier disposition, others are more melancholy by nature, etc).

 

I would hazard a guess that our society contains too much malice (or pretty much any of the synonyms of that) toward others within it. People experience this malice, or hatred, and become emotionally disturbed by it, and it impacts their qi in various ways...basically causing the opposite of joy to happen:

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"When one is joyous, then the qi is in harmony and the mind is unimpeded. The camp [qi] and the guard [qi] pass freely. Hence, the qi relaxes." - Nei Jing Su Wen, Chapter 39, p. 594-595 (Unschuld)

With joy, we could be experiencing a free flow of qi - the direct opposite of constraint and bottling up.

 

Lacking a normal good feeling, a natural joy or bliss, or inner peace, people's qi becomes stagnant by what they perceive in others around them. Then, certain people who are more susceptible for one reason or another, end up exploding in this way. They might not even be more susceptible for any particular reason, but they simply made a decision to follow a path that ultimately led them to commit a mass atrocity.

 

American society needs a release, and some experience of emotional freedom, and peace. It's often best, in Chinese Medicine, to eliminate the very thing that caused the disease in the first place (so in our case, we'd be no longer having people being cruel and heartless to each other in the society). The more that happens, perhaps the less mass killings would happen...but it would have to be done on a very widespread scale. It can sometimes occur through more and more people being forgiving and compassionate, and being considerate of others, and being true friends to one another...but we need 9/10 people doing this, rather than 1/1000.

Based on many of my recent interactions with people, I think we might be headed in the opposite direction of the cure.

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Good theory, well said. Our society needs healing. 

 

I can share that the energy work that I do - is aimed at aiding people in releasing pent up energy and transmitting it out. I can tell from an energetic point of view (both on myself and others) that bottled up energy causes a whole lot of nasty effects that are attributed to other factors. Most people don’t know how much they’re holding onto. Some people welcome the relief and the opportunity to unload energetic baggage. But others have much trouble letting go. 

 

I am ever the optimist, however. And I pray that these negative events will serve as a catalyst for people to examine themselves and say, what can we do differently. 

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Where is Buddha and Jesus ?
They are not here.
This is tremendously good news.
That means if we reach realisation we will also not be here.
Wow, that's the best news I have ever heard.

 

How many hours are spent worrying about the news ?  And how many in real practice ?
Let's make sure the right hours are spent on the right things.

Have real faith in the light and the path, and don't stop.
Feel that light continuously, make the practice real, grounded and continuous.
This is not the kind of place you want to stop in.

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13 hours ago, Aetherous said:

I think we might be headed in the opposite direction of the cure.

yes, the boil will have to rot until  bursts on its own. too late for therapy

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11 hours ago, FaXin said:

I can share that the energy work that I do - is aimed at aiding people in releasing pent up energy and transmitting it out.

 

What is it that you do?

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7 hours ago, rideforever said:

Where is Buddha and Jesus ?
They are not here.

 

Buddha nature and Christ within us are always here! Just another way of looking at it...I get what you're saying.

 

7 hours ago, rideforever said:

Have real faith in the light and the path, and don't stop.
Feel that light continuously, make the practice real, grounded and continuous.
This is not the kind of place you want to stop in.

 

That's really great advice. I definitely think there's something to be said about focusing more and more on our inner world (focusing only on the light, and all that's good), in order to manifest the change we want in the outer world (people being transformed for the better, perhaps as a result of getting a sense of our radiating inner light)...versus focusing on the outer world's problems which can obscure our innate light, if we become too disturbed by it all.

 

On the other hand, the fire burns brighter with more kindling. Compassion swells up when we see the state of things.

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16 hours ago, Aetherous said:

A mass killing is an event that happens abruptly...

 

I would say it is a long time simmering until it exceeds it pressure value.

 

The El Paso shooter drove 10 hours to that Walmart... lots of time to turn around.     

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1 hour ago, Aetherous said:

 

What is it that you do?

 

Basically just work with the natural yin/yang energy dynamic that occurs when people make personal connections.  Offer extra energetic space for releasing things. 

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34 minutes ago, FaXin said:

 

Basically just work with the natural yin/yang energy dynamic that occurs when people make personal connections.  Offer extra energetic space for releasing things. 

 

I tend to think of it as a sharing of oneness that most experience as silence and or energy.

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2 minutes ago, Tom said:

 

I tend to think of it as a sharing of oneness that most experience as silence and or energy.

 

I would agree that’s what is going on, but to break it down further, there is the yin/yang loop that happens too. 

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Well I'm not the first to suggest that this tension could have be engineered by the elite as once the civil unrest (civil wars) start after a while people will beg for extreme measures i.e. a totalitarian government! 

 

The attitude of idiots that don't want a dialogue, no names mentioned!!!, only ensures that the chaos is coming. The polarisation is hot but not completely out of control but at the moment more and more people are seeing it's the Democrats in American, the Labour Party in the UK and the European Union in Europe spinning memes around racism etc. Yes the right are muck raking as well but in such a small way as to not even be credible.

 

The left will not even consider compromise as they have basically declared war!!!! Well it seems that way as it's acceptable to keep calling everybody that votes Republican a racist or anybody that wants to leave the the European Union (Breixt) a racists! So we might ask, why is there no dialogue? 

 

The only answer I have is that the memes that are propagated by the left are paradoxical and ultimately lead to psychosis! Yes a slow evolution of society is something we all accept but what the left want is a revolution! I really do think all this is driven by the globalist elite who want to, basically, enslave the whole planet in a kind of communist corporate dictatorship! They are using the socialistic ideals of the left and then seeding crafted memes to escalate extremist views. Politics has been corrupted by the elite, money and the corporate sphere and there is actually a war raging on the mental plane!       

 

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I was studying a complex esoteric structure of human life.
It seems that although humans have a "waking state", they actually wake up into the underworld, a collective subconscious realm.
And that is what you see when you see humans, they are living in the underworld, it is a world under the conscious objective world.
The subconscious is full of darkness, because it has some intelligence just enough to cause trouble, just enough for beings to evolve within it.
Beneath that is the un-consciousness which is not corrupt.

When you speak to a person you speak to a person struggling with the underworld, or representing the underworld.

The layer of reality is like a semi-alive foundation for the conscious (realised) layer above it.
Like all foundations it must keep together, stay together, hold together.
It has brutal rules for resisting change, and for keeping people there.
One has to be very strong and lucky to reach escape velocity.
And if you are spotted trying to get free, suddenly the underworld will see you, and it may snap at you.

So what can you expect from this place, and from people ?
To have high expectations for fair treatment is ... not realistic.
Have compassion for these people, they do struggle, many suffer greatly.
And there are automatic boundaries in the underworld, things can also not get too bad.
Because it is a foundation, and it polices itself, it will not allow itself to be damaged.

And this is what you see in human society ... the activities in society reflect what it actually is.

It doesn't really matter what society is doing.
If you comprehend your situation, there is only one response.
The plane of Consciousness can help you, but first you much struggle above the underworld, so that help can come.
Down in the underworld, any help is temporary and quickly destroyed.
 

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2 hours ago, david said:

I would say it is a long time simmering until it exceeds it pressure value.

 

The El Paso shooter drove 10 hours to that Walmart... lots of time to turn around.     

 

Yes, I think there is often some planning that goes into it, as well. For the culprit, it's definitely not just a crime of passion, but is probably always premeditated.

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1 hour ago, PatrickJB said:

Well I'm not the first to suggest that this tension could have be engineered by the elite as once the civil unrest (civil wars) start after a while people will beg for extreme measures i.e. a totalitarian government! 

 

I do think it's a very plausible theory that the elite have planned this...planned Obama, Trump, Brexit, etc.

 

1 hour ago, PatrickJB said:

So we might ask, why is there no dialogue? 

 

The only answer I have is that the memes that are propagated by the left are paradoxical and ultimately lead to psychosis!

 

Yes, it's clear to me that a great majority on the left are simply unable to think rationally at this point. I suppose it's from their memes/their ideology...not sure. It could also just be from losing so hard for so long. It's striking how prevalent it is - like something in their brains just doesn't function. You can point out an obvious truth, and they miss it entirely.

 

For people who think I'm just being biased politically, here's a good example: on the forum that shall not be named, the owner that shall not be named posted a snarky meme in regard to these mass shootings, insisting that they're all due to far-right, white supremacist ideology. Sure, the El Paso one, yes.

But isn't he aware of the motives of the Dayton shooter, who was a leftist and Socialist (his politics actually sound VERY similar to said forum owners')? https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts-twitter-politics-social-media/ 

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1 hour ago, rideforever said:

To have high expectations for fair treatment is ... not realistic.

 

Definitely not at all.

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Chuang Tzu had some things to say about reasonable expectations of other people.
I don't remember the exact story, but it was along the lines of ... ... ... we often do not take into consideration the other person's position.  We expect something from them  ... but perhaps it is not realistic or appropriate given the state of that particular other person.

 

If one is spiritualised then perhaps you have a great deal, you have yourself, at least at some level. 
Compare that to someone who has no contact with their self and lives in samsara.

But on the other hand some people then walk around crying their eyes out or ignoring bad things or forgiving too easily or too early and being weak and silly.  This is also just another insincere way to be.

 

Beings have a right to actualize themselves as they wish.  For only a very few is spiritual communication really the right thing, you wouldn't try to offer spiritual suggestion to a goat would you.  We may wish the world was different and that everyone was interested in spiritual reality.  Why do we have such silly ideas ?

 

Another thing is that people will often hate you to your bone marrow if you try to help them.  They don't want to be helped, they don't wish to know they need help.  Especially if you try to help them from a higher level, or indicate a better way.  They more appreciate if you suffer with them and suffer like them ... that they can relate to; but that would require you to get down and dirty and slide into the swamp and start dragging their load with them.  It is easier to bark instructions from a throne high up in the air.  Well ... 

 

And yet another concept is of imagi-needs.  Why do you wish to talk to someone ?  Do you actually want to ?  Or are you on autopilot ?  Perhaps you think you need something ... are you sure ?   

Perhaps you are really manipulating them with kind words so that they like you ... in this case you are using them.  This was close to Chuang Tzu's ideas about being insincere.

And yet another is about needing to be loved respected and so on.   Do you actually need it ?   Maybe you don't.

 

If you do your work that is given to you and spiritualize yourself then you will emit a light and others will benefit, and there is no need for much talking.

 

Perhaps everything is alright in the sense that each person struggles from where they are, some are very low, some need to be hurt severely because that is the lesson they will need.

 

Anyway, haven't we got enough work to do on ourselves ?

 

Why do we worry about the world ?  Isn't this just another holiday from our job ?

 

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As for video games.
For the subconscious animal within you there is little distinction between murdering people through your computer or in real life.  The heart beat muscle tension sweat and hormones flowing through the blood are pretty much the same.  That's the whole point otherwise who would play such games.  And the game designers know this and they know how to make it even bloodier.
One difference with real life is that in real life there are natural limits and what you can do and cannot do.
Whereas in a computer there are no limits and the full corruption of the human swamp can be acted out.
Probably people do not realise what is being done and seen through this media.

Humans are largely subconscious in any case.
Does violence breed violence ?
Who is asking ?
The disaster of society, the tremendous destruction of every single thing on this planet ... could it be any clearer?
Who is still asking questions ?

Jesus says that 'you know not the day.  neither do you know the hour'.

 

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5 hours ago, rideforever said:

Chuang Tzu had some things to say about reasonable expectations of other people.
I don't remember the exact story, but it was along the lines of ... ... ... we often do not take into consideration the other person's position.  We expect something from them  ... but perhaps it is not realistic or appropriate given the state of that particular other person.

 

If one is spiritualised then perhaps you have a great deal, you have yourself, at least at some level. 
Compare that to someone who has no contact with their self and lives in samsara.

But on the other hand some people then walk around crying their eyes out or ignoring bad things or forgiving too easily or too early and being weak and silly.  This is also just another insincere way to be.

 

Beings have a right to actualize themselves as they wish.  For only a very few is spiritual communication really the right thing, you wouldn't try to offer spiritual suggestion to a goat would you.  We may wish the world was different and that everyone was interested in spiritual reality.  Why do we have such silly ideas ?

 

Another thing is that people will often hate you to your bone marrow if you try to help them.  They don't want to be helped, they don't wish to know they need help.  Especially if you try to help them from a higher level, or indicate a better way.  They more appreciate if you suffer with them and suffer like them ... that they can relate to; but that would require you to get down and dirty and slide into the swamp and start dragging their load with them.  It is easier to bark instructions from a throne high up in the air.  Well ... 

 

And yet another concept is of imagi-needs.  Why do you wish to talk to someone ?  Do you actually want to ?  Or are you on autopilot ?  Perhaps you think you need something ... are you sure ?   

Perhaps you are really manipulating them with kind words so that they like you ... in this case you are using them.  This was close to Chuang Tzu's ideas about being insincere.

And yet another is about needing to be loved respected and so on.   Do you actually need it ?   Maybe you don't.

 

If you do your work that is given to you and spiritualize yourself then you will emit a light and others will benefit, and there is no need for much talking.

 

Perhaps everything is alright in the sense that each person struggles from where they are, some are very low, some need to be hurt severely because that is the lesson they will need.

 

Anyway, haven't we got enough work to do on ourselves ?

 

Why do we worry about the world ?  Isn't this just another holiday from our job ?

 

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Sean's gob up for analysis! I'll have a pop when I have time. But reading it through once I see it's the typical drivel. But I will say that obviously the events are tragic but shadow in comparison to the damage the left are doing to society as a whole. I wonder if the 911 terrorists were right wing!?! And that's not a sick joke. Oh and all this trump bashing is getting tedious especially when there are so many black Americans all over youtube saying he's not racist. 

 



Looks like Ohio shooter was a self-identified lefty on Twitter. 
  
I'm sure this will will immediately be spun into "bothsidesism". I also worry it's going directly into the canon of Trump admin's "Antifa bill". 
  
I do think there are crucial differences between these shootings though. 
  
The El Paso shooter published a manifesto with explicitly right-wing political ideology mirroring things said by Trump, Fox News, Breitbart, etc. There was also clear, far-right celebration of the attack e.g. on 8Chan and even Twitter. 
  
Conversely there's nothing in the left-leaning hodgepodge the Ohio shooter seemingly subscribe to that would have done anything other than condemn these attacks and certainly nothing to motivate them. There are also exactly zero leftists that find these attacks anything other than 100% wrong and disgusting. 
  
Sure, leftists will joke about punching Nazis, or, at the extreme even killing fascists to protect innocent lives. Maybe you find those things problematic, that's a legit conversation. But absolutely nowhere will you find "go on a shooting spree killing your sister, her boyfriend and other random, innocent people of color in public". This was not an ideologically leftist attack. 
  
If this were a leftist, say, shooting at ICE officers ripping children from their parents I think there would be a pertinent conversation about left-wing extremism. If this shooter were actively involved in actual leftist circles, I can see how we'd need to have a conversation around the failure of those spaces for not identifying a violent individual. 
  
Otherwise I think the bothsidesism in this case conflates motive and ideology. 
  
My two cents. 
  
Sean 

 

 

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1 hour ago, PatrickJB said:

Sean's gob up for analysis!

 

Attempting to save face after insisting that all the mass shootings are caused by right wing rhetoric, after the Dayton shooter's info had been out there for a good amount of time, and prior to mainstream (leftist) outlets releasing the news on the culprit's politics... whoops!

 

If only those from the right-wing had been there to correct him right after his post, because those of us who pay attention to the news were all well informed on this matter. Sadly, that doesn't happen in an echo chamber, and one misses half of the story.

He's right that the El Paso one was politically motivated, and that qualifies it as white nationalist terrorism...whereas the other one wasn't at all the same, and seemed to have just been a bad apple who happened to be on the left.

 

That being said, to attempt to sweep it under the rug is very disingenuous. The culprit had extreme leftist views, very similar to Sean's (he's pro-Antifa). Those views are, to speak clearly, in favor of extremist violence against political opponents. The scary part is that the political opponents aren't understood by the attackers...good people are smeared with false labels, and then these extreme leftists feel it's appropriate and even necessary to do all sorts of evil to these strawmen.

 

This isn't the only case of a leftist shooter, by the way...

...

To address this thread from another angle: I read the manifesto, which someone posted up elsewhere. Didn't want to search the web for it, but I saw it and checked it out. To be honest, unfortunately, I think it will inspire more acts of white nationalist terrorism.

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Any attempt to skew the motives of the shooters is beyond repugnant. These two extremists, mental or not, were simply wrong in their actions. 

 

Having said that we see the media heavily suggesting that Trump is the reason for these events!! The media is sick and disgusting as we are all aware they lean left. Not only do they lean they skew and distort the truth to facilitate this insanity the left are so enthralled by. 

 

Here's another segment by Tim pointing out the media bias:

 

 

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1 minute ago, PatrickJB said:

Having said that we see the media heavily suggesting that Trump is the reason for these events!!

 

Apparently if you joke about punching people like back in the good old days, you're guilty of inspiring mass murders.

But Antifa can "joke"...well, no...actually do it...often...and that's fine...

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3 minutes ago, PatrickJB said:

The media is sick and disgusting

 

Absolutely. They compete for viewership, primarily.

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