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Hi Tom! Im going to take a break from the Taoism responses. Not because it isnt cool, it is. Its just that my method is through feeling. I just feel my way to energy that feels better than the one before. And then do it again. Right now its realy intensified in feeling my way toward growth. Im having a hard time getting into my mind about the spiritual at this time.

So im having a hard time relating to things some times. Other times its easier.

So instead of not answering and not saying anything. I wished to explain. I will be back later on the taoism or some other one though. Thanks for keeping them going! Be back later. Maybe like tomorrow. Lol. I dont know? Lol

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The Sage has a supreme disregard for non-essentials. Nothing in life is essential , humans live for spiritual reasons , so thats fine    Worldly power, fame, advancement, titles, vanity

I heard this one today in an episode of "Kung Fu" with David Carradine.  I felt very cal after listening to the patient wisdom of the Chinese, so different from the disturbed minds of western people t

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On 2/16/2016 at 6:54 AM, Tom said:

CHAPTER 11

Thirty spokes support a wheel;

it is the space inside the wheel, that makes it useful.

Shape clay into a vessel; it is the space within, that makes it useful.

Cut doors and windows for a house;

it is these spaces, that make it useful.

So something comes from nothing,

usefulness comes from making nothing into something.

Okay. Got my head back. But im not sure what to say on this one. Maybe some thing will come to me later. 

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On ‎2‎/‎16‎/‎2016 at 7:54 AM, Tom said:

CHAPTER 11

Thirty spokes support a wheel;

it is the space inside the wheel, that makes it useful.

Shape clay into a vessel; it is the space within, that makes it useful.

Cut doors and windows for a house;

it is these spaces, that make it useful.

So something comes from nothing,

usefulness comes from making nothing into something.

I am thinking this has two lessons.

The first is emptiness. How all things are empty or as he is using the term the space within.

The Wheel has form but it is the emptiness that makes it useful, same with the doors and windows. Realize the emptiness and you are getting somewhere.

The second lesson is to not just sit and do nothing. Be useful to others with that realization.

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CHAPTER 12

The five colours blind the eye.

The five tones deafen the ear.

The five flavours dull the taste.

For having in excess, dulls the senses.

When the senses are dulled, men look for more stimulation.

Racing and hunting fever the mind.

Precious things cause greed to arise in Men’s hearts.

Therefore the Sage is guided by what he feels, and

not by what he sees.

He lets go of that and chooses this.

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11 hours ago, Tom said:

CHAPTER 12

The five colours blind the eye.

The five tones deafen the ear.

The five flavours dull the taste.

For having in excess, dulls the senses.

When the senses are dulled, men look for more stimulation.

Racing and hunting fever the mind.

Precious things cause greed to arise in Men’s hearts.

Therefore the Sage is guided by what he feels, and

not by what he sees.

He lets go of that and chooses this.

Simple, simple, simple! Wise, wise, wise! The rat race has no winners. Lol. But eventually everyone wins i feel. But from letting go. Not from accumulation of things. Lol

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Just piggy backing on what Karen said.

 

The Ten Thousand Things are energy, they are all empty in nature.

When you strive for more of THAT be it with the senses, money, fame or internal energy like wind, fire, earth etc. it hinders a persons actions. It fevers the mind

Precious things cause greed to arise in Men’s hearts.

Therefore the Sage is guided by what he feels, and

not by what he sees.

He lets go of that and chooses this
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The TTC is always warning about desire and the need for more. Jesus put it this way in GOT.

110. Jesus said, "Let one who has found the world, and has become wealthy, renounce the world."


Karen about talked moving beyond the senses:

 

Further, I find that this also is speaking of how relying on ones sense can impede us in the long run, and that it is better to look for answers within. Let go of what you can see, hear, taste, touch and smell, and take hold of and listen to your 6th sense, the energy within and its knowing. We will find a lot more in the clear and still nature of emptiness than all the stimuli of the world can offer


Residing in the empty nature of the flow.
 

 

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CHAPTER 13

Accept disgrace willingly.

Accept misfortune as the human condition.

What do I mean by "accept disgrace willingly?" Accept being unimportant.

Do not be concerned with wealth, titles, loss or gain.

If you are not concerned with these,

you can always "accept disgrace willingly".

What do I mean by "accept misfortune as the human condition?" Without a body, how could

there be misfortune!

For misfortune arises from having a body

Surrender yourself humbly, then you can be trusted to care for all things. Love the world as

your own self, then you can truly be trusted to care for all things.

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On 2/25/2016 at 11:43 AM, Tom said:

CHAPTER 13

Accept disgrace willingly.

Accept misfortune as the human condition.

What do I mean by "accept disgrace willingly?" Accept being unimportant.

Do not be concerned with wealth, titles, loss or gain.

If you are not concerned with these,

you can always "accept disgrace willingly".

What do I mean by "accept misfortune as the human condition?" Without a body, how could

there be misfortune!

For misfortune arises from having a body

Surrender yourself humbly, then you can be trusted to care for all things. Love the world as

your own self, then you can truly be trusted to care for all things.

I think these things can help. Ultimately, or how my experience goes anyways. Is the focus point is on the energy. When the priority is on it, you become wrapped up in that. Instead of all the other things. Being focused on that makes me more of that. Everything else is secondary.

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CHAPTER 13

Accept disgrace willingly.

Accept misfortune as the human condition.

What do I mean by "accept disgrace willingly?" Accept being unimportant.

Do not be concerned with wealth, titles, loss or gain.

If you are not concerned with these,

you can always "accept disgrace willingly".


This is about ego. When we think we need a position or put importance in being successful, we are caught up in thinking that we need some thing to be happy. "Do not be concerned with wealth, titles, loss or gain." They are all "things" of the mind.

What do I mean by "accept misfortune as the human condition?" Without a body, how could

there be misfortune!

For misfortune arises from having a body


Misfortune arises from being trapped in samsara. By thinking you are this body trapped in the local mind. When you are able to let go of the thought that you need a thing and realize that you are awareness and not the body you attach to nothing. You are free from obstructions, attachments, from misfortune.

Surrender yourself humbly, then you can be trusted to care for all things. Love the world as

your own self, then you can truly be trusted to care for all things.


Great wisdom we should all follow.          

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CHAPTER 14

Look, it can never be seen, for it has no form.

Listen, it can never be heard, it is beyond sound.

Grasp, it can never be held, it is intangible.

Although it can never be seen, heard or held, its spirit is always there.

For it is formed from nothing and so returns to nothing.

It is beyond description,

But it is the Mother of the Ten Thousand Things.

It has no beginning and no end, but it is great.

Stay with this (in your heart) the ancient Dao,

but move with the present.

Knowing the Dao is the ancient beginning of all things.

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18 hours ago, Tom said:

CHAPTER 14

Look, it can never be seen, for it has no form.

Listen, it can never be heard, it is beyond sound.

Grasp, it can never be held, it is intangible.

Although it can never be seen, heard or held, its spirit is always there.

For it is formed from nothing and so returns to nothing.

It is beyond description,

But it is the Mother of the Ten Thousand Things.

It has no beginning and no end, but it is great.

Stay with this (in your heart) the ancient Dao,

but move with the present.

Knowing the Dao is the ancient beginning of all things.

Once the spirit has established itself in the individual. And the individual becomes it. Its without effort or reason.

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Hi riju and running. I agree with you both.

CHAPTER 14

Look, it can never be seen, for it has no form.

Listen, it can never be heard, it is beyond sound.

Grasp, it can never be held, it is intangible.

Although it can never be seen, heard or held, its spirit is always there.

For it is formed from nothing and so returns to nothing.

It is beyond description,

This is talking about emptiness as riju mentioned the Dao is emptiness.

But it is the Mother of the Ten Thousand Things.

It has no beginning and no end, but it is great.

Stay with this (in your heart) the ancient Dao,

but move with the present.

Knowing the Dao is the ancient beginning of all things.

The Ten Thousand Things are energy, that energy comes from, arises from the Dao which is emptiness.

We walk around in form which is part of the Ten Thousand Things. That forms true nature is emptiness.

We can be guided by the flow of the Dao within our hearts when we realize our true nature.

 

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On ‎04‎/‎03‎/‎2016 at 4:00 PM, Tom said:

Hi riju and running. I agree with you both.

CHAPTER 14

Look, it can never be seen, for it has no form.

Listen, it can never be heard, it is beyond sound.

Grasp, it can never be held, it is intangible.

Although it can never be seen, heard or held, its spirit is always there.

For it is formed from nothing and so returns to nothing.

It is beyond description,

This is talking about emptiness as riju mentioned the Dao is emptiness.

But it is the Mother of the Ten Thousand Things.

It has no beginning and no end, but it is great.

Stay with this (in your heart) the ancient Dao,

but move with the present.

Knowing the Dao is the ancient beginning of all things.

The Ten Thousand Things are energy, that energy comes from, arises from the Dao which is emptiness.

We walk around in form which is part of the Ten Thousand Things. That forms true nature is emptiness.

We can be guided by the flow of the Dao within our hearts when we realize our true nature.

 

.

 

Hi Tom just to give you some heads up on this chapter as I was taught it all those years ago.

 

Li Erh is talking about the beginning of all things, how we can't really describe it etc. but if we are deeply aware of our hearts it can be found. It was there at the very beginning and when it is the end, it shall be there also. Knowing this we realise one thing but also another and so we must be deeply flexible, for here lies the path to true enlightenment.

All the best

FH

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3 hours ago, sifu said:

Hi Tom just to give you some heads up on this chapter as I was taught it all those years ago.

 

Li Erh is talking about the beginning of all things, how we can't really describe it etc. but if we are deeply aware of our hearts it can be found. It was there at the very beginning and when it is the end, it shall be there also. Knowing this we realise one thing but also another and so we must be deeply flexible, for here lies the path to true enlightenment.

All the best

FH

What do you mean by "deeply aware of our hearts"?

Thanks.

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On 3/7/2016 at 0:10 PM, sifu said:

Hi Tom just to give you some heads up on this chapter as I was taught it all those years ago.

 

Li Erh is talking about the beginning of all things, how we can't really describe it etc. but if we are deeply aware of our hearts it can be found. It was there at the very beginning and when it is the end, it shall be there also. Knowing this we realise one thing but also another and so we must be deeply flexible, for here lies the path to true enlightenment.

All the best

FH

My take from my experience on being flexible is feels like this. I guess i should say so you know im not from any spiritual background. 

Flexibility for me allows more and more energy to flow and be open to. Although at some point its no longer recognizable in needing flexibility. But before that it had like a million faces. A million things. After its no longer recognizable in needing flexibility it is all one. And all there is then is flavors of endless pleasure. Like a love affair. That has no reason or personal agenda. Its a causeless and endless.

The joke of the whole matter is it always was and always will be. But some how that was temporarily forgotten. Why? I dont know? But why not i wonder?

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Moving on,

CHAPTER 15

The Ancient Master’s were subtle, mysterious, profound and alert.

The depth of their knowledge was unfathomable.

Likened to the Dao, they were at one.

Being at one, all we can do is observe their appearance.

Watchful, like men fishing in a stream.

Alert, like men aware of the tiger.

Courteous, like visiting guests.

Yielding, like a blade of grass.

Simple, like uncarved blocks of wood.

Empty, like vessels.

Opaque, like muddy pools.

Lying still and waiting quietly, who can wait for the mud to settle?

Who can wait for the mystery to be revealed?

Do not seek fulfilment, but feel the Dao in your heart.

By not seeking fulfilment, nothing is changed.

The Ten Thousand Things rise and fall without interference.

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The Ancient Master’s were subtle, mysterious, profound and alert.

The depth of their knowledge was unfathomable.

Likened to the Dao, they were at one.

Being at one, all we can do is observe their appearance.

This is talking about how the Master's were present in the moment. One with the Dao, emptiness and oneness. By doing so they observed appearances without trying to change them.

Watchful, like men fishing in a stream.

Alert, like men aware of the tiger.

Examples of being present in the moment.

Courteous, like visiting guests.

Yielding, like a blade of grass.

Simple, like uncarved blocks of wood.

Yielding to what is without trying to change or grasp at things.

Empty, like vessels.

Emptiness.

Opaque, like muddy pools.

Lying still and waiting quietly, who can wait for the mud to settle?

Who can wait for the mystery to be revealed?

Can you be in the present moment, content and not trying to change what is?

Do not seek fulfilment, but feel the Dao in your heart.

By not seeking fulfilment, nothing is changed.

By not trying to change what is you will find the Dao.

The Ten Thousand Things rise and fall without interference.

 Be one with what is and you will be one with the Dao.

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CHAPTER 16

Empty the mind of everything, let it reside in peace.

Being at peace you can watch the Ten Thousand Things rise and fall.

They follow their natural path and eventually return to the source of all things.

This is the way of Nature.

Returning to the source is stillness, for Nature is unchanging.

Knowing this constancy is having insight into all things.

Not knowing this leads to disaster.

Knowing the source, the mind is open.

When the mind is open the heart will be open too.

Being open hearted, you can act naturally.

Acting naturally, you will be at one with the Dao.

Being at one with the Dao, you will be at one with Heaven and Earth.

Being at one with Heaven and Earth, you can become eternal.

Although the body dies, the Dao will always be eternal.

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On 3/15/2016 at 6:49 AM, Tom said:

CHAPTER 16

Empty the mind of everything, let it reside in peace.

Being at peace you can watch the Ten Thousand Things rise and fall.

They follow their natural path and eventually return to the source of all things.

This is the way of Nature.

Returning to the source is stillness, for Nature is unchanging.

Knowing this constancy is having insight into all things.

Not knowing this leads to disaster.

Knowing the source, the mind is open.

When the mind is open the heart will be open too.

Being open hearted, you can act naturally.

Acting naturally, you will be at one with the Dao.

Being at one with the Dao, you will be at one with Heaven and Earth.

Being at one with Heaven and Earth, you can become eternal.

Although the body dies, the Dao will always be eternal.

Beautiful! Nothing much to comment. Pretty self explanatory for me.

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CHAPTER 17

The greatest things in life are rarely realised or known by Men.

But Men always know the things they love and treasure,

and that which is feared and despised.

Having a simple heart one knows how to trust openly. Those who do not trust openly, can

never be trusted to have a good heart.

When deeds are performed with few words, people can say "we've done it".

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On ‎3‎/‎21‎/‎2016 at 9:13 AM, Tom said:

CHAPTER 17

The greatest things in life are rarely realised or known by Men.

But Men always know the things they love and treasure,

and that which is feared and despised.

Having a simple heart one knows how to trust openly. Those who do not trust openly, can

never be trusted to have a good heart.

When deeds are performed with few words, people can say "we've done it".

I agree running,

Sound advice on how to open ones heart and be humble.

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CHAPTER 18

When the great Dao is forgotten,

human kindness and morals arise.

When clever people employ their schemes,

the great perversion begins.

When the family have forgotten the natural order,

filial piety and devotion arises.

When the country is in chaos,

loyal ministers always appear.

Set things in order, be at one with the Dao.

For when people are at one, there is no need for such things.

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