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  1. Jeff- we have been close for more than 5 years. That is the basis of my knowledge of you, not words on a forum. It's obvious to both of us, that this conversation is not productive, as we've both been entrenched in our basic positions for more than 5 years. So I for one, am happy to let things rest right where they are.. just where they were 5 years ago ;-) Kev
  2. Jeff- There is really not much to discuss. Contrary to known history you want to dress up your ego in the form of 'divine beings'. Now I have nothing against forms of this for example this is the same thing that shamans do. Only when they are done tapping the egregore they stop paying it any mind; only a damn ed fool worships a human - created idol. When the ego is abused, due to not understanding what it is and what it's role is in spirituality, you will wind up with a very confused, deluded and harmful form of spirituality. You can't have a rational discussion with
  3. Jeff- Yes I looked up the etymology of the saying 'kill the Buddha..." before I posted. What's funny about Zen koans is they often do point to something real. ..even though they are designed to 'stop the mind'. Jeff- You are so convinced that your world view is correct that it doesn't matter what I say or don't say....pure and total selection bias. As you know..I have 'played in your world' for years....for my own can't say that I haven't walked 100 miles in your moccasins. At some point nearly everyone forgets their initial basic training....because they never mastered
  4. So much for 'if you meet the Buddha in the road, kill him.' Now I know that's not from the sutras or tantras or what not....but that's a good thing of course. ... It slightly amuses me actually...that most spiritual devotees (of more eastern philosophical roots anyway) rapidly learn that they themselves don't actually exist in any permanent or meaningful way...but that the 'self' is more illusion than substance.... Yet these same devotees then commit the gross logical error of fighting for the existence of 'so-called divine beings' which are in actual fact...just larger scale delusions
  5. Jeff- These beings are in fact 'egregores'. Powerful ones mind you. And depending on which one we are discussing...some egregores predated homo sapiens; and these egregores give the impression of being divine --- they are not. What people call 'higher selves' are in fact egregores.... What people call 'souls' are in fact (generally) just poorly formed tulpas. FYI i won't be arguing or defending these words....I really don't care what comforting beliefs someone wishes to entertain. In fact I think that my words could possibly be verified in a scientific lab..... Kev
  6. Jeff- I *am* working on a system of human adulthood.. it's going to be slow going.. lots of testing and experimentation required... It's like re-inventing the wheel a second time from scratch. I can see why people don't want to do this.. the first time around was maddening. *This* system I could discuss with little mysteriousness. ;-) Kev
  7. Jeff- You speak about illusions of the mind..... you speak about nothing to build... these words are representative of one of the two basic wrong approaches. Wrong because either approach will get you 'somewhere' ... but probably not where you actually want to go...and/or think you are going.... Most people don't give 'spiritual efforts' their full if they are fortunate they will end up in some version of human adulthood.. or at least in some pleasant self-delusion. What can be concerning are those with an all-consuming desire....they might discover what's behind
  8. Jeff- I know you hold this view Jeff. It's the old schism between 'so called instant enlightenment' systems such as Zen....with the cleaning of the mirror approach and the hatha/tantric systems which build a metaphysical energy conduit (the diamond body one might even say). Of course both systems are wrong when contrasted that way.... And even more problematic is not knowing 'what enlightenment is'; who becomes 'enlightened' and what role a human life should play in such a process...or even if it has any value for a human at all... and then the whole issue of so-called human adul
  9. Jeff- Not forgetting at all my good friend. But universal mind is a tad more challenging subject than one might at first you know...and its such an enticing thing that people fall into love in their search for it...and no maybe never learn common sense at all. Kev
  10. Jeff- Superstitions are created by spreading misinformation from some old dead dudes who never wrote anything down and who probably never even existed. A competent teacher would require basic course work b mastered before spouting metaphysical nonsense that has never benefited even one person...but is in fact the very cognitive trap that needs to be overcome. The Human animal appears to be the only one on Earth who spends significant time creating complex social systems designed to keep them distracted from reality which will rapidly be causing their extinction whether that happens to be
  11. A friend of mine is always teasing me about being mysterious and a tease. Well gosh there might be a reason for that other than general perversity and contrarian tendencies to which I plead the 5th. Human nature is to say "oh yah I knew that too!" - the Colonels secret sauce...the square root of infinity... how to build a nuclear device from potato doesn't matter the subject... But in the field of math say. can't get away with that...the 'answer' barely matters... it's the ability to do the work that matters....and the temperament and ability to show the work.. then
  12. Doug- "However, I also realized fairly quickly - human beings aren't designed to live in such a state" This IMHO is the single most welcome thing you have every posted in my point of view. I've known dozens (hundreds probably) of people who have sought to go on a perpetual spiritual 'drug trip'; in fact I think it's fair to say, that THAT seems to be the goal of much 'new age Buddhism'.. much 'new age Yoga' etc. It's not that the original material is ALL THAT terribly off base (though that can be really true in critical areas like with 'maya'.) but the focus has become to 'escap
  13. Doug- Thanks VERY MUCH for this . If there is one thing I like to harp on, it's 'maya'. I think the 'new age' has done serious harm to some concepts that once served a genuine educational purpose; especially 'maya'. I think that you and I and some of those 'old dead dudes' would agree, that 'maya' is not actually all the 'planes of existence'.. which includes what most people would call 'reality'. I think this interpretation has harmed more people in more long-term ways, than any single concept ever, other than 'sin' of course, which is the single worst, most wrong concept
  14. Doug- Well I like your conclusion. 'Spirituality' is in fact a wretched word for anyone who wishes to live a genuine life.. it has all this unreal baggage associated with it. Now as to the "problem with oneness" and quantum mechanics.. well there's more to it than just that.. science hasn't been able to unify quantum mechanics with the standard model.. with general relativity or with even the 3 dimensions of space. You say that everything is one... sure.. I happen to concur.. Hierarchically one.. When you walk into a wall, refusing to believe in it.. you get a bump on
  15. Doug- Jeff- Thanks for your input. From my perspective the only 'maya' which exists is words like maya, but that is the subject of another discussion in another folder ;-) Kev
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