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What exactly is abusive, Karen? Please explain.

Does @Doug and @Mahasweta have an opinion about the alleged "discourse"?

It's a sincere topic, Karen. What discourse do you assume I sow?

How about... your next life's human form?

Lori has already stated the reason she is speaking up, on a few occasions. Some of that was hidden by you and your fellow moderators. Do you question the motives of every woman who speaks up about inappropriate behavior coming from people in positions of supposed authority, or just Lori's?

Regarding the rumor being spread that I'm Lori's guru- no that is false. I see Lori on equal footing and support her as a friend in her establishing herself in independent consciousness. In regard to the rumor being spread that I put her up to bringing attention to "practices," she's experienced with Jeff- that is also false. I have said that others with similar experiences have moved on with their lives without bringing much more attention to the "practices." The reasons for that are likely obvious, and I won't speculate about it. I have no agenda, contrary to allegations. I simply offer support as a friend when people approach me and are looking to leave the "practices." This is nothing magical, or any kind of "exorcism." It's much more down to earth. That is all.

Always more "stuff" to do, eh?

You Mods reject posts for "personal attacks" and allow this!? Wow... just, wow.

Listening to this with my kids just now. My son says "why are we listening to this version?"

You're on something.

You're correct, Lori. It is a devaluation. And, when it's used in similar contexts increasingly by others who have "worked with" Jeff, it points to linguistic programming. Of course, there are many other indicators, but "stuff" is a common one.

Good point, @FaXin. Do you see Lori's experience being validated by others in this thread?

If someone asks you to determine their level, and you share that only in private with them, that is different (and less harmful) than talking about them and their level with others and them not present. "Translate to a level 4..." is this person here now? Was he or she given your conceptual model of levels? Was it explained the states of being you are measuring is only a snapshot of a dynamic being, observed through your own perceptual lenses, which are not completely clear?

Oh, come on guys. You have both talked about others in terms of levels, which you have assigned them, many times. Do any other members of this board besides Tom and Jeff wonder who of you has been deemed a level 3 (or 6, or whatever)?

@Jeff, it was not you who wrote the above. You weren't part of that conversation. "...for instance the last I looked was a strong six." Who looked?