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  2. Ryan

    TTC Chapter 5

    thank you for your explanation.
  3. FaXin

    TTC Chapter 5

    straw dogs were used in rituals in China, and then thrown away. The term is (In this case?) used to mean something that’s you’re not attached to.
  4. Ryan

    TTC Chapter 5

    straw dogs? What is that?
  5. Tom

    TTC Chapter 5

    Heaven and Earth are impartial; They see the ten thousand things as straw dogs. The wise are impartial; They see the people as straw dogs. The space between heaven and Earth is like a bellows. The shape changes but not the form; The more it moves, the more it yields. More words count less. Hold fast to the center. Any thoughts?
  6. Tanya

    TTC Chapter 4

    Not the way I was entertaining the idea. Makes sense now . Thank you :)
  7. Jeff

    TTC Chapter 4

    For me, it is more about knowing yourself at that point. Like do you know all of the details of your fingernail? Or can you find every being that exists within yourself?
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  9. Tanya

    TTC Chapter 4

    Not adding so much asking... I always get a little stuck on... merging and becoming one with all and yet be able to differentiate even the smallest particle of dust. Wouldn’t merging with the all negate differentiations?
  10. Tom

    TTC Chapter 4

    Here is Jeff's explanation. Any thoughts?
  11. Jolanda

    TTC Chapter 4

    Thank you, great to contemplate on - Being an empty vessel ... Tao is seen here as a source, as the forefather, of the gods... I would see it more as the essence which made it possible that all things and everything / no-thing could sprout from... at the other hand Tao is 'me', but when one is not filled with ego, it is beyond mind thinking of 'me'... it is not the ignorant state, because one sees: sharpness will be soft, difficulties easy, darkness light, and turbidity clear...
  12. FaXin

    Peace pilgrim

    I like her There was one line she said that struck me. "What I want, and what I need, are the exact same."
  13. FaXin

    TTC Chapter 3

    Great convo! ”Ruthless self honesty” to me means letting all things arise to the surface. Not quite thinking about them, just shining the light of awareness and letting them fall away. I like the muddy waters metaphor. The more you splash, the muddier the water gets. It’s only when the water is still, and the dirt settles, the water can become clear.
  14. Steve

    TTC Chapter 3

    It is true that non thinking meditation is the key, but thoughts arise sometimes even when one is attempting non thinking. Reflections on ones actions is also natural. Meditation prunes away those who are in denial, because they can't face their dark side, so they quit meditating, therefore they do not become realized.
  15. Billa

    Peace pilgrim

    Watched this yesterday again. Her message is simple but very potent. Particularly, the renunciation and no BS aspect of it really resonates with me.
  16. Tom

    TTC Chapter 3

    That's still chasing thoughts one way or another. If you are still caught up in the mental aspect you are far from being realized.
  17. Steve

    TTC Chapter 3

    That's for sure, and it isn't what I was implying. Here's another way of putting what I said. No one who is into denial will become realized.
  18. Tom

    TTC Chapter 4

    4 The Tao is an empty vessel; it is used, but never filled. Oh, unfathomable source of ten thousand things! Blunt the sharpness, Untangle the knot, Soften the glare, Merge with dust. Oh, hidden deep but ever present! I do not know from whence it comes. It is the forefather of the gods. Any thoughts?
  19. Tom

    TTC Chapter 3

    I would disagree. I don't believe one can become realized by thinking oneself into it.
  20. Steve

    TTC Chapter 3

    There are different types of desires, there are desires which feed egoism, and there are desires which keep you alive. The quickest path to self realization is via ruthless self honesty. Just kidding, actually it's the only path.
  21. Ryan

    TTC Chapter 3

    I think that realization comes about by trying new things and living our lives the best we can. I don't feel desires are something to be dropped but perhaps viewed as points of interest on a map, a map of our Being.
  22. Tom

    TTC Chapter 3

    Then you have to realize how to achieve that "core" desire. Here is Jeff's take on the chapter.
  23. Ryan

    TTC Chapter 3

    Yes it's those desires that will lead the individual to realizing its not what they actually wanted. Some realize this early on and change course, others sadly not. Superficial desires can be...undesirable however they usually are rooted in traumas and hurt that we have experienced in life. When we clear away the baggage that's when we learn what we really want, what matters the most. I don't feel our core desires can be let go of and by "core" I am referring to our true motivations and aspirations for the Being we wish to be.
  24. Tuesday

    TTC Chapter 3

    I actually understand Ryans point of view. Knowing what you desire and going after them is important for our well being. But i disagree that fulfilling desires are what take us further on the path.
  25. Tom

    TTC Chapter 3

    Meanwhile you are chasing your tail, chasing one desire after another hoping it will fulfill you never learning that it never will. Desires for more, money, fame, a better job, a better home or car are all examples of desires that are fleeting once achieved. The happiness one assumes one achieves is never what one pictured in ones mind. Happiness is never going to be found outside of you. Once you let go of those wants, those desires you will find more than you could ever imagine within you.
  26. Ryan

    TTC Chapter 3

    I don't feel any desires are "bad" or "good". We usually desire that which will aid in our expansion. Now if we move into the opposite direction or what we perceive as a "bad" desire, eventually we reach a point on that path so filled with despair and realize that particular desire was not what we wanted and then turn around, this time in the direction of a desire that is more in alignment with who we are. So it doesn't matter what road you take, you will get to where you want to go eventually. The one road is just longer and more bumpy. Just my thoughts on this
  27. Tanya

    TTC Chapter 3

    Also reminds me of Rumi.... “ I once had a thousand desires, but in my one desire to know you (God), all else melted away.”
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