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  2. SHAKE ALL NATIONS I will shake Heaven and Earth, the dry land and the sea, and I will shake all nations, so that that which cannot be shaken stands alone.
  3. It is very interesting because Jesus is saying that we are all blind, but to say that we see is a sin, it is a lie. We are all blind, but do we know it? How many times can we fall on our face in the same ditch without getting it? Are we thick skinned? Do we feel anything? In John 9 the Phraisees say that to the man ... "you were steeped in sin at birth" ... but Jesus says this man has not sinned. Who is right? Jesus says that he was blind so God's work can cure him of his blindness ... what does this mean ? I think this is too idealistic. The world is neither a perfect place, nor an imperfect place. It neither fully follows God's mechanised will, nor is it random. It has different elements, with life flowing between. If not the world would not be real. Reality must flow between chaos and order, between falsehood and truth, between the enemy and God ... only then is there a possibility to chose the Light, only then is life Real ... if there is choice. There can only be life if there is death, only reward if there is punishment, only success if there is risk. Life is real. It is all real. It is all alive, living, and with risk. I don't know why the man was blind, it is true that his blindness was an opportunity for healing. And we must all have some work, so work is given to us be it blindness or arduous labour. Without labour there is no life. There has to be friction, a meeting, a task. Without a task it is death. Life has to live, life has to work. Which task is given to us may be random, may be collective, may be individual ... depending on our level of evolution. As we evolve our work becomes more about us individually.
  4. John 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. John 9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? John 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. ——— This is very interesting verse here. Just by the Pharisees asking if they are blind, they don’t have faith enough to discern whether they are. There is still doubt, confusion and separation within them. Unlike the blind man whom he healed, John 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. His soul was ready to receive the blessings.
  5. Good stuff, all very interesting. The scandal line is quite peculiar, but tends to happen with modern day groups too, no? I do agree that direct transmission is the key. The way I was taught was an energetic representation of blood and body. By “sharing the presence”, we come into the Light. John 6:563: “He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.” There is no boundaries between... People who come into the Light and get this transmission can also “baptize” others, or pass the transmission along, such as the Apostles baptizing and healing people.
  6. John 6:52 52{53}The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? 53{54}Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say unto you: except you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. 54{55}He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day. 55{56}For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. 56{57}He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood abideth in me: and I in him. 57{58}As the living Father hath sent me and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me. 58{59}This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna and are dead. He that eateth this bread shall live for ever. 59{60}These things he said, teaching in the synagogue, in Capharnaum. Many Disciples Turn Away (Matthew 8:18-22; Luke 9:57-62; Luke 14:25-33) 60{61}Many therefore of his disciples, hearing it, said: This saying is hard; and who can hear it? 61{62}But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at this, said to them: Doth this scandalize you? 62{63}If then you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63{64}It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64{65}But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that did not believe and who he was that would betray him. 65{66}And he said: Therefore did I say to you that no man can come to me, unless it be given him by my Father. Peter's Confession of Faith (Matthew 16:13-20; Mark 8:27-30; Luke 9:18-20) 66{67}After this, many of his disciples went back and walked no more with him. 67{68}Then Jesus said to the twelve: Will you also go away? 68{69}And Simon Peter answered him: Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life. 69{70}And we have believed and have known that thou art the Christ, the Son of God. 70{71}Jesus answered them: Have not I chosen you twelve? And one of you is a devil. 71{72}Now he meant Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon: for this same was about to betray him, whereas he was one of the twelve. > Many didn't walk with him after he talked of bread and blood ... he says "doth this scandalize you" ? ... today if you give these opinions to Christians also they feel scandalized and disgusted. How was it that Jesus raised the dead ? He was no ordinary man. And where did he come from, he just appeared out of the desert ... or had he endured long training ? Many things exist in this world that man does not know, he is a frightened monkey ... > I assume that the priesthood then, the idea of it is that blood to blood they pass the blood of Christ from generation to generation ... although I imagine this is not done any more, but probably was for some generations > The Apostles had many powers ... were from ? Only from direct transmission. > In conclusion the spirit God the afterlife ... is very much more strange and large than people would imagine
  7. In the Jewish scriptures consumption of blood is forbidden because you take on the aspects of the animals. So they had an esoteric comprehension of blood at that time, they knew many things. This is from "In Search of the Miraculous" by Ouspensky, here he it is Gurdjieff who is talking. But, as a matter of fact, nobody understands what this was precisely, or what was done by Christ and his disciples that evening. There exists no explanation that even approximately resembles the truth, because what is written in the Gospels has been, in the first place, much distorted in being copied and translated; and secondly, it was written for those who know. To those who do not know it can explain nothing, but the more they try to understand it, the deeper they are led into error. "To understand what took place at the Last Supper it is first of all necessary to know certain laws. "You remember what I said about the 'astral body'? Let us go over it briefly. People who have an 'astral body' can communicate with one another at a distance without having recourse to ordinary physical means. But for such communication to be possible they must establish some 'connection' between them. For this purpose when going to different places or different countries people sometimes take with them something belonging to another, especially things that have been in contact with his body and are permeated with his emanations, and so on. In the same way, in order to maintain a connection with a dead person, his friends used to keep objects which had belonged to him. These things leave, as it were, a trace behind them, something like invisible wires or threads which remain stretched out through space. These threads connect a given object with the person, living or in certain cases dead, to whom the object belonged. Men have known this from the remotest antiquity and have made various uses of this knowledge. "Traces of it may be found among the customs of many peoples. You know, for instance, that several nations have the custom of blood-brotherhood. Two men, or several men, mix their blood together in the same cup and then drink from this cup. After that they are regarded as brothers by blood. But the origin of this custom lies deeper. In its origin it was a magical ceremony for establishing a connection between 'astral bodies.' Blood has special qualities. And certain peoples, for instance the Jews, ascribed a special significance of magical properties to blood. Now, you see, if a connection between 'astral bodies' had been established, then again according to the beliefs of certain nations it is not broken by death. "Christ knew that he must die. It had been decided thus beforehand. He knew it and his disciples knew it. And each one knew what part he had to play. But at the same time they wanted to establish a permanent link with Christ. And for this purpose he gave them his blood to drink and his flesh to eat. It was not bread and wine at all, but real flesh and real blood. "The Last Supper was a magical ceremony similar to 'blood-brotherhood' for establishing a connection between 'astral bodies.'
  8. John 11:1-10 1. Now a man named Lazarus was sick. He was from Bethany, the village of Mary and her sister Martha. 2. (This Mary, whose brother Lazarus now lay sick, was the same one who poured perfume on the Lord and wiped his feet with her hair.) 3. So the sisters sent word to Jesus, “Lord, the one you love is sick.” 4. When he heard this, Jesus said, “This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God’s glory so that God’s Son may be glorified through it.” 5 Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus. 6. So when he heard that Lazarus was sick, he stayed where he was two more days, 7. and then he said to his disciples, “Let us go back to Judea.” 8. “But Rabbi,” they said, “a short while ago the Jews there tried to stone you, and yet you are going back?” 9. Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours of daylight? Anyone who walks in the daytime will not stumble, for they see by this world’s light. 10. It is when a person walks at night that they stumble, for they have no light.” I do like this one. If a man is guided by the light, he will be safe.
  9. Very cool views, thank you for sharing. So you think the apostles ate the actual flesh and drank the actual blood of Jesus? Or did I misunderstand. Some sort of magic to carry on the communication after death? I have never heard that one, interesting theory. Where did you hear it, if you recall?
  10. "Woman, believe me a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on the mountain nor in Jerusalem" .. yup. It is interesting to contemplate what Jesus really represents, if we remove the baggage. Was Gautama not enlightened ? What about Krsna and everyone else ? They were, and it was a long time earlier. What about the Pharaohs of Egypt ? Every tradition says ... our man is the only man ... everyone else is fake, ... everyone else is worshipping through belief. But this is not true, but given the low level of human beings ... they need this emotional pressure ... it helps them. And whichever path you are on ... for sure you think that your man is the only man. You need that pressure, you need help. I think Jesus is misunderstood, I am afraid my views might not be popular. He had 12 students only. He gave them his own blood because it allowed communication after death, which is the new covenant (lower case). You see the think is that due to the lack of sensitivity to God, people have to imagine it's a great thing. A messiah is coming, he has opened the light to everyone, you are the chosen people. Etc... But this is not correct. For example what occurs to mankind is only the reaping of what he sows. You see there are rules, and stages, and ladders of consciousness. Nobody is cheating anyone. You get what you are. If you are low you get low. Every teacher guru and messiah is part of the whole picture of the universe, they are part of the rule based system. So Jesus is likely simply another teacher ... but he also had advanced gifts of a particular type I will mention later. He was also a teacher coming from a holy family in the holy land. He was a gift to Mary. This makes him a natural child of God ... something from the days before the fall. It is different to a yogi, a yogi is an abstract man. But Jesus comes from the family structure of the earth, from family, and his holiness comes from that. I don't know the full importance of this ... but it is different to a pauper yogi who goes to a cave and reaches consciousness. Given that Europa comes from Rome, and Christianity was adopted by Rome then Jesus is vastly important. But as a man what does he really offer that is different ? Some very important things. Firstly, his journey meeting every fool that the Levant could offer. Fools, charlatans, frauds, the greedy stupid and unjust. And .. he meets the faithful, the humble, the earnest. His journey was the journey of a man in the man's world. There is no abstract "Tao" nor Cosmic Consciousness of Siva. No ... he is a man. So this represents the humanising of religion. Mankind sees himself for the first time, encountering fools encountering charlatans. He does not give you Disney World and promises of handouts of joy in this world. He gives you the truth of this world ... you are surrounded by darkness ... take up your cross and be brave. And he says .. plant your seeds, and invest your talents ... he says "Can you not see that from the beginning God made man and woman". He did not give license to live whatever way, he taught the rules. He represented the Laws of the universe at the level of mankind. The Law of 3, of Yin+Yang => Creation. He also recognized that there is no evil except ignorance, that there is nobody to fight except ignorance. In fact his religion comprehends the laws of the universe, it might come originally from egypt and be related to Hermeticism. Hence his knowledge of connection after death ... using the mechanism of drinking blood and eating part of the body. Otherwise they would not hear him. And this kind of insight and knowledge was easy for him: he knew a lot of it, either highly trained, or God taught him. He is not just offering salvation ... he offers technical understanding of the rules of existence that are operating. And he sacrificed his life because he had tremendous courage to destroy the physical body. Because "I Am" is the real body, and the real life, and this body is of small import.
  11. Very eloquently explained! Thanks for sharing
  12. 20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.” 21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.” 25 The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.” 26 Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.” John 4:20 The first part of these verses is about gnosis - in verse 22 "We worship what we do know." Experiencing the kingdom and knowing the Father, so there is no more belief, there's a knowing. The Pharisees worshiped blind, with belief - a God that was separate from them. Jesus, throughout his time talked a lot about being one with the Father. A special location or statue is not needed, it's experienced in every moment. The second part of the verses is a good one for discussion. It's important to remember that every time Jesus speaks "I, me" -- he is speaking from the light presence inside of him, and flows through us all. He's not referring to the man from Galilee - it's not like Jesus is an ego-maniac trying to win over converts and believers! There has to be a deeper meaning to it. Therefor, in my view, the Messiah is that Light that has come to "save us" (the eternal life, the water that quenches the thirst that he speaks of earlier in this chapter, and which Jesus speaks of so often.) The "second coming" is the moment the Light awakens in us, saving us from sin and death. For if we are speaking of things that have past- and things to come in the future- it is a dead faith; a belief, and holds no power to transform the practitioner. My view is the "light" was not accessible until Jesus came and brought it to us. He was the bridge - a Master so accomplished that he changed the rules of the game (a new Covenant between God and Man, through Christ.)
  13. sure, I’d be happy to write a bit more on the quotes. I’m outside of Boston, US.
  14. Energetically speaking, Jesus has a very strong male/yang energy, I’ve found that it can cause some waves and discomfort. Could also be a lineage thing. But speaking from my own experience, I had trouble with Jesus due to growing up in Catholicism and seeing how some people acted and used him. Which has been happening for a long time, as you know.
  15. Why do you think its understandable ? Anyway, why don't you write something about your personal interpretation of those quotes of John ... it's more of an exploration that way. Which country are you in?
  16. Thank you very much for sharing your story. I think it’s great that you feel connected with Mary Magdalene - she is a bright light, and I feel a part of my path also. That’s cool about your awareness of resistance to Jesus- and also understandable.
  17. My grandparents in Germany were Catholic and there was a nun in that family, I was there just a few times but that was the beginning. On the other side I am Hindu. I am a friend of the Catholic, of Theotokos, of Mary Magdalene and of God. Of Jesus, I feel some resistance although I do pray to him mostly for protection. But I am a friend. I am a friend to all traditions, and I take them all individually according to their precepts as individual channels. A Christian is a human being in the state of reality, more or less, that is what it means. My two teachers, are an adept monastic who studied Zen and Indian traditions, he is very technical and gifted. The other is Gurdjieff, who is very complex to understand. These two men have a comprehension of spirituality that is orders of magnitude above what is generally known. But I also do simpler work, and simply love God. It was never a problem for me. Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, The Catholic ... each one is a beautiful path ... I don't mix them, but I know them. But that's just me, I am old it would appear. And probably a bit stupid, or have some disharmony inside me, which is why I have returned. I believe I was a devotee of Mary Magdalene in a previous life, but I don't know anything about it ... I just saw her face once when I didn't know who she was. I suppose that I must come from the lineage of being an emotional mess then !! Anyway, the path is the path, it is full of fire, it is unbelievable, but true.
  18. I would consider myself a Christian yes. I was raised Catholic, but I would consider myself a Christian mystic now. The bulk of my practice is reading the Bible, reading gnostic scriptures and various meditation techniques. I’ve been lucky enough to meet a few mystical Christians who have guided me on my path. How about you my friend? I’d love to hear your practices and how you came to know Jesus.
  19. Are you a Christian? How do you come to be so? What kind of Christian are you and how to you practice?
  20. John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
  21. John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
  22. I have just read all of John 14, which was interesting : 14:26 seems to refer to another Messiah who will come to Earth in the future, so Jesus promises. Jesus seems to think that when he goes to Heaven he will talk to the Father and send help. in 14:31 Jesus says that he is going to his death so the world will know that he loved his Father ... therefore his willing complicity to his crucifixion is an example for all people to trust God even if it means death in the carnal world. "31 But that the world may know that I love my Father, and just as my Father has taught me, so I have done. Rise up, let us depart from here." 14:6 "I Am the Living God". All enlightened beings are the living God ... nobody comes to the Father but through me, meaning that if you reach the Light it is the same Light as the Light that is in me. His students were confused because they did not see the Father, and asked Jesus to show them the Father repeatedly. This is very similar to the students of many gurus in India who asked for the Light ... and the guru said that the Light is in you ... can't you feel it? And they said they cannot feel it? Why is this so? The truth that I know is that human beings need a subtle kind of inner development and inner transmission. Only then can they feel it. Until that time the Father is not feel-able, no matter how hard the guru or the student try it will not happen. That inner development is very subtle. Human beings are of very different types; the human body is a vehicle that houses many kind of souls. The whole problem lies in the false-self. It seems that as the intelligence of the human being reaches a certain point, it creates a fictitious sense of itself as part of its development. This creates many insincerities in human society. Although it is a false-self, it is also a phase of development. Later this false-self needs to be replaced by the true-self. The false-self is required as a stage of development, without it mankind cannot progress. So ... looking at the unhappy species ... God indeed is overlooking us, and has a plan. If you are lucky and find a teacher you will slice straight through this road and not waste time. If not the pain and suffering will eventually teach you. And for those that are lost in the progress, and there will be many, that collateral damage is necessary because life is real. A path exists for us, but this is also not Disney World.
  23. Ghazal 1, from the Green Sea of Heaven, Hafiz translated by Elizabeth T. Gray Jr "Oh Saki, bring around the cup of wine and then offer it to me, for love seemed easy at first, but then grew difficult. Flooded with their heart's blood are those who wait for the scent, that the dawn wind may spill from her dark musky curls. Stain your prayer mat with wine if the Magus tells you to, for such a traveller knows the road, and the customs of its stations. What security is there for us here in her caravanserai, when every moment camel bells cry, "Pack up your loads!". The dark night, the fear of waves, the terrifying whirlpool, how can they know of our state, those who go lightly along the shore? In the end, my life has drawn me from self-concern to ill-repute. How long can the secret of our assemblies lay hidden? Hafiz, if you desire her presence, pay attention. When you find the one you seek, abandon the world and let it go." ======================= Saki, is a young person, a cupbearer at a gathering who passes out wine. They wait for the musky scent of the dawn breeze .... they wait for grace. Stain your prayer mat with wine ... do not be too self-righteous, accept the lowness of human life. There is no security for us in this world, everything is always changing (in the human mind, not on Earth per se, Earth is fine). The terrifying whirlpool ... humans life in fear and terror, they cannot understood the state of light. ill-repute ... one who knows the light has no place in the world, if you do not hide your light you will be crucified. Once you find the light abandon the world, there is nothing here, the job of the "world" (the human realm) is to eject you from it.
  24. I did not enjoy the phoney book because it was phoney ... and because I can tell the difference. In fact I read the first page and instinctively knew it was not Hafiz. Then I did some research and although it was hidden under 358 phoney reviews on Amazon I found the answer ... that the book was phoney. This is because I can personally tell the difference. I bought a different book that is a direct translation of Hafiz, the Green Sea of Heaven ... I just read the first poem, it seems very good. Maybe I shall post it.
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